[Wien] [Wien2k Users] Structure Generation of Solid Solution in Wien2k

[Ghosh SUDDHASATTWA]

Dear Dr.Marks, Dr.Stefaan, and Wien2k users, 
I have tried hard to solve the problem but I have unfortunately not been
able to solve it. 
The only problem is that both A and B occupy the same 10 positions(10
different) and the structure cannot be generated using the StructGen module.

That for using the supercell program requires a valid case.struct file. 
Please help 
Thanks in advance 
Suddhasattwa Ghosh 


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[mailto:wien-bounces at zeus.theochem.tuwien.ac.at] On Behalf Of Gerhard Fecher
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SolutioninWien2k

Hi Peter,
maybe one should mention that the CALPHAD journal (published by Elsevier)
might be a good source to learn about such calculations for alloys.

My remark was probably missing that I would not do it "that way" but
probably combine it with some knowledge
about statistics and - dependent on the problem I have in mind - with some
Monte Carlo algorithm.
(By the way, do you know about the progress of an ATAT-Wien2k interface,
last year it was not available ?)


Ciao
Gerhard

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Dr. Gerhard H. Fecher
Institut of Inorganic and Analytical Chemistry
Johannes Gutenberg - University
55099 Mainz
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[wien-bounces at zeus.theochem.tuwien.ac.at] im Auftrag von Peter Blaha
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Solution inWien2k

Alloys are nowadays studied by the so-called  "cluster expansion", where
the cluster interaction parameters are obtained from supercells with several
different configurations (you don't need "all" possible variations).

Even with medium sized supercells one can already learn a lot about
tendencies for clustering, ....

Gerhard Fecher schrieb:
> First a question, how is the bandstructure defined in a random alloy when
the infinite periodicity is lost ?
>
> To specify 60 % of the sites to be occupied by A, you need a supercell say
with 100 atoms and
> to set 60 of the sites by A and 40 by B atoms (always one atom no fraction
!)
> this you have to do for all distinguishable (!) permutations (use some
statistics !)
> of the site occupations, as for example
> 1st:      AAAAA-(60x)-AAAA BBBBB-(40x)-BBBBB
> 2nd:     BAAAA-(59x)-AAAA ABBBB-(39x)-BBBBB
> 3rd:      BBAAA-(58x)-AAAA AABBB-(38x)-BBBBB
> .....
> (n-1)th:   BBBBB-(39x)-BBBBA AAAAA-(59x)-AAAB
> nth:         BBBBB-(40x)-BBBBB AAAAA-(60x)-AAAA
> and perform the n calculations for the different structures.
>
> Finally you may calculate the weighted sums to find some average
properties.
>
>
> Actually I don't think I would perform supercell calculations to find the
properties of random alloys,
> just before someone complains.
>
> Ciao
> Gerhard
>
> ====================================
> Dr. Gerhard H. Fecher
> Institut of Inorganic and Analytical Chemistry
> Johannes Gutenberg - University
> 55099 Mainz
> ________________________________________
> Von: wien-bounces at zeus.theochem.tuwien.ac.at
[wien-bounces at zeus.theochem.tuwien.ac.at] im Auftrag von Ghosh SUDDHASATTWA
[ssghosh at igcar.gov.in]
> Gesendet: Dienstag, 29. Dezember 2009 14:31
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> Betreff: Re: [Wien] [Wien2k Users] Structure Generation of Solid Solution
inWien2k
>
> Dear Dr. Lawrence,
> Thanks for the reply,
> I have AB solid solution with A and B both occupying 10 different
> nonequivalent positions.
> That is to say we have a total of 10 different positions for A as well as
> for B.
> The atomic positions are all same.
> With this, when I try to save the structure, it gives the error as same
atom
> cannot occupy the same atomic position.
> So the struct file is not generated at all.
> So how do we run supercell in this condition.
>
> Can a solution to this be given please.
> Moreover, how do we specify 60 % of the sites to be occupied by A in the
> supercell program.
>
> Thanks
> Suddhasattwa Ghosh
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: wien-bounces at zeus.theochem.tuwien.ac.at
> [mailto:wien-bounces at zeus.theochem.tuwien.ac.at] On Behalf Of Laurence
Marks
> Sent: Tuesday, December 22, 2009 2:25 PM
> To: A Mailing list for WIEN2k users
> Subject: Re: [Wien] [Wien2k Users] Structure Generation of Solid Solution
> inWien2k
>
> To make a solid solution like this you need to generate a supercell
> and occupy 60% of the sites with "A", and 40% of the sites with "B".
> The supercell needs to be "large enough" for this to represent an
> effective random distribution, and you can probably find some
> literature on how large this needs to be (or maybe someone can give
> relevant references).
>
> On Mon, Dec 21, 2009 at 11:00 PM, Ghosh SUDDHASATTWA
> <ssghosh at igcar.gov.in> wrote:
>> Dear Wien2k users
>> [SuddhasattwaGhosh]
>>
>> In case the crystal structure of solid solution A0.6B0.4 is available,
> where
>> A and B both occupy equivalent positions, is it possible to generate the
>> structure using StructGen in Wien2k.
>> How can mixed character of lattice points be handled in Wien2k?
>>
>> Suddhasattwa Ghosh
>>
>>
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