[Wien] Okay to combine mBJ, spinorbit, and LDA+U?

Peter Blaha pblaha at theochem.tuwien.ac.at
Sat Aug 18 19:12:45 CEST 2012


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Am 18.08.2012 18:59, schrieb Jameson Maibam:
> Dear sir, please suggest suitable exchange correlation for ZrO2 in monoclinic structure. Its reported band gap using GoWo is 5.34eV . My experimental groups got 5.5eV.
> Yours sincerely
> Jameson Maibam
>
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> Subject: Re: [Wien] Okay to combine mBJ, spinorbit, and LDA+U?
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> Yes, the Zn-3d states are very localized (like the 4f) and some U (much smaller than what you would use in GGA+U)
> will give you the experimental gap.
>
> Alternatively you can use modified mBJ parameters (PRB 85, 155109) which are tailored more towards semiconductors
> (gaps below 5 eV) and bring the ZnO gap above 3.2 eV.
>
> Am 18.08.2012 18:27, schrieb Kamil Klier:
>  > Thanks Fabien,
>  >
>  > Indeed the match between MBJLDA theory and experiment (Fig. 1 in the quoted paper) is excellent.
>  >
>  > However, the bandgap of ZnO is underpredicted by mBJ only, reading from Fig. 1 ca. 2.8 eV.  This would render zinc oxide colored in the visible region, but pure ZnO is
>  > white, in accord with experimental bandgap 3.2 - 3.4 eV.  Moreover, the Zn3d_10 (filled) narrow band falls below the O2p valence band (from VB XPS) while a quick
>  > calculation with MBJLDA results in blending of O2p and Zn3d.  Is it possible that in the ZnO case the U (say U_eff = 0.46 Ry) would help a bit as follows: it would push the
>  > Zn3d down and improve the bandgap - unless of course there are theoretical reasons why mBJ and U should be in conflict.  That does not seem to be the case, however, for 4f
>  > orbitals.
>  >
>  > Best regards,
>  >
>  > Kamil Klier
>  >
>  > Quoting tran at theochem.tuwien.ac.at <mailto:tran at theochem.tuwien.ac.at>:
>  >
>  >> Yes, mBJ alone is already ok for NiO:
>  >> http://prl.aps.org/abstract/PRL/v102/i22/e226401
>  >> So, adding U is not a good idea.
>  >>
>  >> On Sat, 18 Aug 2012, Kamil Klier wrote:
>  >>
>  >>> The Wien example for NiO uses U_eff = 0.52 Ry for the Ni3d orbitals.
>  >>>
>  >>> Would that mean that using subsequent mBJ potential for 'improvement of
>  >>> bandgap of NiO' is not appropriate or at least is an overkill?
>  >>>
>  >>> Best regards,
>  >>>
>  >>> Kamil Klier
>  >>>
>  >>> Quoting Peter Blaha <pblaha at theochem.tuwien.ac.at <mailto:pblaha at theochem.tuwien.ac.at>>:
>  >>>
>  >>> >mBJ+U is appropriate for 4f systems only (because mBJ is too weak to fully
>  >>> >localize the 4f electrons). Do not use it for d-electrons.
>  >>> >
>  >>> >mBJ is made to give a good bandstructure. We have evidence, that the
>  >>> >resulting
>  >>> >electron density is too ionic, thus a force optimization using MSR1a could
>  >>> >be problematic (although it could be better than GGA in some cases (with 3d
>  >>> >electrons - Jahn-Teller distortions).
>  >>> >Eventually, MSR1a with the original BJ potential (c=1) is physically more
>  >>> >justified, sind original BJ is an approximation to OEP (optimized effective
>  >>> >potential),
>  >>> >which should be close to the "exact local exchange-only" potential.
>  >>> >(Note that an "exact exchange potential" + LDA-correlation can be much more
>  >>> >wrong than plain LDA !!!!! for certain cases, because we miss the error
>  >>> >cancellation)
>  >>> >
>  >>> >before doing Spin-orbit calculations, I'd remove case.in0_ggr and use the
>  >>> >case.grr file from the scf-mBJ calculation without SO. I do not trust
>  >>> >the kinetic energy densities with SO.
>  >>> >
>  >>> >
>  >>> >Am 16.08.2012 22:15, schrieb Laurence Marks:
>  >>> > >If it is a decent insulator I would do LDA+U directly; often it
>  >>> > >converges better and since the lattice parameter and forces change you
>  >>> > >do not gain much by first doing LDA/GGA. Normally LDA+U is stable,
>  >>> > >often more stable that LDA/GGA. Volume optimization should be done
>  >>> > >first, then min_lapw or MSR1a. Better is to do MSR1a or min_lapw at
>  >>> > >each volume.
>  >>> > >
>  >>> > >Then add -so, mBJ as appropriate with the optimized positions.
>  >>> > >However, I not sure if mBJ+U is appropriate (I doubt that it is). It
>  >>> > >might be that LDA+U positions are a better approximation for mBJ, not
>  >>> > >sure. One way is to minimize the forces with mBJ using MSR1a (not
>  >>> > >min_lapw/PORT) and compare them to LDA+U. If they are the same then
>  >>> > >you are in good shape, needs testing. Maybe someone has....
>  >>> > >
>  >>> > >N.B., it is completely fine to minimize positions in mBJ using MRS1a
>  >>> > >-- do not use min_lapw/PORT, it will not be correct. MSR1a does not
>  >>> > >care that the energy is incorrect whereas min_lapw/PORT does.
>  >>> > >
>  >>> > >On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 2:44 PM, Jeff Spirko <spirko at lehigh.edu <mailto:spirko at lehigh.edu>> wrote:
>  >>> > > >Is it okay to use spinorbit and LDA+U with mBJ?
>  >>> > > >
>  >>> > > >I would guess it is done like this:
>  >>> > > > * Check that forces <10 mRy/au with plain LDA or GGA.  Reduce via
>  >>> > > > min_lapw.
>  >>> > > > * Volume optimization (if desired) with plain LDA or GGA to reduce
>  >>> > > >absolute pressure.
>  >>> > > > * Set up LDA+U (Sec 4.5.6) and use -orb flag from now on.
>  >>> > > > * Need to converge LDA+U???
>  >>> > > > * Follow mBJ instructions (Sec 4.5.9).
>  >>> > > > * After mBJ+LDA+U is converged, follow spinorbit instructions (Sec
>  >>> > > > 4.5.5).
>  >>> > > > * For spinpolarized, check whether atoms became nonequivalent
>  >>> > > >(affects case.inso, case.inorb,
>  >>> > > >    case.indmc, case.in1c, basically any input file with atom lists or
>  >>> > > > indices)
>  >>> > > > * touch .fulldiag (necessary because klist can change???)
>  >>> > > > * Do final run with -so -orb
>  >>> > > >
>  >>> > > >Best regards,
>  >>> > > >--
>  >>> > > >Jeff Spirko spirko at lehigh.edu <mailto:spirko at lehigh.edu>  WD3V  |=>
>  >>> > > >
>  >>> > > >The study of non-linear physics is like the study of non-elephant
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