[Wien] -machinefile _HOSTS_
Luis Ogando
lcodacal at gmail.com
Mon Apr 8 20:29:33 CEST 2013
Dear Prof. Blaha,
Many thanks for your comments !
I have suspected that without the .machines file I would have problems
to mix k-points and mpi parallelization.
The reason to use mpiexec_mpt instead of mpirun I will have to ask to
the guys from the computing center (I can not imagine a reasonable one).
Anyway, I will also ask them about the -host and -hostfile possibilities.
All the best,
Luis
2013/4/8 Peter Blaha <pblaha at theochem.tuwien.ac.at>
> If you do not mix k-parallel and mpi-parallel runs, it is probably save.
> (i.e. for VERY big cases)
>
> The question is: why are you using mpiexec_mpt ??
>
> Usually it is better to use the more general mpirun (or the less general
> mpiexec) instead
> of the "special mpiexec_mpt comand.
>
> Besides that, for some mpi-versions/commands it might be -host or
> -hostfile instead of -machinefile
>
> checkout, which mpiXXX commands do you have, and with man/help pages,
> what are the available options.
>
> To my understanding PBS_NODEFILE is a variable of some queuing-systems
> (like PBS, but maybe some others
> too. It is not really "mpi-specific".
>
> PS: In "mixed" parallelizations you want to request eg. 256 cores, but you
> may have 4 k-points, thus doing
> 4 k-parallel lapw1-jobs on 64 cores each. In such a situation you need to
> tell mpi, on which nodes it should run
> a particular process. And I'm pretty sure, that EVERY (meaningful)
> installation can do this.
>
> Am 08.04.2013 19:43, schrieb Luis Ogando:
>
>> Dear all,
>>
>> Dr. Gavin Abo pointed me out that I should have mentioned that I am
>> using mpiexec_mpt instead of mpiexec, so, in my case, the mpi execution is
>> controlled by the
>> PBS_NODEFILE variable and not by a machines file (thanks Dr. Abo for
>> this).
>> Anyway, I would like to know if it is safe to run MPI Wien2k with
>> mpiexec_mpt.
>> All the best,
>> Luis
>>
>> PS: I have no problem on generating the .machines file "on the fly"
>> (queuing system). Despite the fact that it will not be used by mpiexec_mpt,
>> I know that it is required
>> by Wien2k.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>> From: *Gavin Abo* <gsabo at crimson.ua.edu <mailto:gsabo at crimson.ua.edu>>
>> Date: 2013/4/8
>> Subject: Re: [Wien] -machinefile _HOSTS_
>> To: Luis Ogando <lcodacal at gmail.com <mailto:lcodacal at gmail.com>>
>>
>>
>> Dear Luis,
>>
>> You probably should have mentioned that you are using 'mpiexec_mpt' not
>> 'mpiexec'.
>>
>> -machinefile is an option for mpiexec [http://linux.die.net/man/1/**
>> mpiexec <http://linux.die.net/man/1/mpiexec>], but it doesn't seem to be
>> a option for mpiexec_mpt
>> [http://techpubs.sgi.com/**library/tpl/cgi-bin/getdoc.**
>> cgi?coll=linux&db=man&fname=/**usr/share/catman/man1/mpiexec_**mpt.1.html<http://techpubs.sgi.com/library/tpl/cgi-bin/getdoc.cgi?coll=linux&db=man&fname=/usr/share/catman/man1/mpiexec_mpt.1.html>
>> ].
>>
>> mpiexec_mpt seems to use the PBS_NODEFILE variable instead of
>> -machinefile [http://www.arl.hpc.mil/docs/**pbsUserGuide.html<http://www.arl.hpc.mil/docs/pbsUserGuide.html>].
>> So your parallel_options are probably fine as
>> long as the PBS_NODEFILE variable is set automatically by your system or
>> you.
>>
>> Kind Regards,
>>
>> Gavin
>>
>>
>> On 4/8/2013 10:18 AM, Luis Ogando wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Gavin,
>>>
>>> Thank you for your answer.
>>> Actually, I generated the .machines files for the queuing system
>>> without problems. The issue is that the " setenv WIEN_MPIRUN " in the
>>> "parallel_options" file has to
>>> be " setenv WIEN_MPIRUN "mpiexec_mpt -np _NP_ _EXEC_" ", without the
>>> "-machinefile" option because it is not defined in the system.
>>> All the best,
>>> Luis
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 2013/4/8 Gavin Abo <gsabo at crimson.ua.edu <mailto:gsabo at crimson.ua.edu>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Dear Luis,
>>>
>>> I'm sending this email off the mailing list as Prof. Marks or Blaha
>>> might respond with a better answer.
>>>
>>> I think the answer is yes, it can impact the Wien2k performance.
>>> This is because the machinefile variable contains the list of hostnames for
>>> 'multiple' nodes.
>>> Without it, the calculation will likely run on only 'one' node.
>>>
>>> Even if you don't have admin privileges, you can likely still define
>>> the machinefile variable as a user by creating a .machines file in your
>>> case directory. However,
>>> the creation of the .machines file may depend on whether or not you
>>> are required to use a queuing system. If you are not required to use a
>>> queuing system, you should
>>> be able to copy the .machines file in SRC_templates to your case
>>> directory and then edit it a text editor (note: you might not see the
>>> .machines file unless you do a
>>> directory listing that includes hidden files). The .machines file
>>> is should be described in the Wien2k userguide or you can search the
>>> internet for some examples
>>> [https://www.xsede.org/**documents/10157/305826/ecss_**
>>> hliu_051012.pdf<https://www.xsede.org/documents/10157/305826/ecss_hliu_051012.pdf>].
>>> If you are required to use a queuing system, you likely need to setup a
>>> script that will create
>>> the .machines file as described at the link:
>>>
>>> http://www.wien2k.at/reg_user/**faq/pbs.html<http://www.wien2k.at/reg_user/faq/pbs.html>
>>>
>>> If you have problems creating the script, your administrator(s) or
>>> support person(s) should know the most about your computer system, so they
>>> can likely help you
>>> create a script that will work on your system.
>>>
>>> Kind Regards,
>>>
>>> Gavin
>>>
>>>
>>> On 4/8/2013 6:19 AM, Luis Ogando wrote:
>>>
>>> Dear Prof. Marks, Blaha and Wien2k community,
>>>
>>> I want to do calculations in a computer where the machinefile
>>> variable is not defined for the mpiexec (I am not the administrator). I
>>> would like to know if
>>> this will have some impact on the MPI Wien2k performance.
>>> Thanks in advance,
>>> Luis
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
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