[Wien] A small query

tran at theochem.tuwien.ac.at tran at theochem.tuwien.ac.at
Wed May 25 13:16:39 CEST 2016


Optical properties are related to the band structure, so this is
ok with mBJ. What I meant is that mBJ should not be used
for properties calculated using the total energy.


On Wednesday 2016-05-25 13:05, Dr. K. C. Bhamu wrote:

>Date: Wed, 25 May 2016 13:05:49
>From: Dr. K. C. Bhamu <kcbhamu85 at gmail.com>
>Reply-To: A Mailing list for WIEN2k users <wien at zeus.theochem.tuwien.ac.at>
>To: A Mailing list for WIEN2k users <wien at zeus.theochem.tuwien.ac.at>
>Subject: Re: [Wien] A small query
>
>Thank you Dr Tran
>
>Thank you for making the situation clear.
>As you said " this is not important since only the band structure should
>be considered after a mBJ calculation".
>Does it mean that we should report optical and other properties using original potentials, i.e. lda/gga/pbe etc and not from mBJ.
>
>In many papers including one of my, I got optical and other properties using mBJ potential.
>
>Kind regards
>Bhamu
>
>
>On Wed, May 25, 2016 at 4:07 PM, <tran at theochem.tuwien.ac.at> wrote:
>      The forces are calculated using the potential, therefore
>      the forces with mBJ are different, and since LDA and mBJ are very
>      different potentials, then the values can be very different.
>      Anyway, this is not important since only the band structure should
>      be considered after a mBJ calculation. It's not necessary to use -fc
>      with mBJ.
>
>      On Tuesday 2016-05-24 15:30, Dr. K. C. Bhamu wrote:
>
>            Date: Tue, 24 May 2016 15:30:13
>            From: Dr. K. C. Bhamu <kcbhamu85 at gmail.com>
>            Reply-To: A Mailing list for WIEN2k users <wien at zeus.theochem.tuwien.ac.at>
>            To: A Mailing list for WIEN2k users <wien at zeus.theochem.tuwien.ac.at>
>            Subject: Re: [Wien] A small query
>
>            Dear Dr. Tran
>
>            I just compared my lda calculation (for a ternary oxide compound) with mBJ and I got some doubts.
>            I did converse lda calculation with these parameters.
>            min -j run_lapw -p -I -i 80 -fc 1.0 -ec 0.00001 -cc 0.0005
>            save_lapw -d lda
>            then I run mBJ (0/1/2/3 options) for the follwing parameters:
>            run_lapw -p -I -i 150 -fc 1.0 -ec 0.00005 -cc 0.0005 -NI
>            In case of lda the force on Oxygen atom was less than 2
>            lda.scf::FOR003:   3.ATOM       1.207059       0.000062       0.000000       1.207059 total forces
>             while in case of mBJ(2) I got too much different:
>            mbj2.scf::FOR003:   3.ATOM     100.228357       0.000067       0.000000    -100.228357 total forces
>
>            I checked for struct file and in both cases struct files were same.
>
>            What is the reson for difference in forces?
>
>            Kind regards
>
>            ------------------------------------------------
>            Dr. K. C. Bhamu
>            (UGC-Dr. D. S. Kothari Postdoc Fellow)
>            Department of Physics
>            Goa University, Goa-403 206
>            India
>            Mob. No.  +91-9975238952
>
>            On Tue, May 24, 2016 at 5:48 PM, <tran at theochem.tuwien.ac.at> wrote:
>                 It's ok since it does not matter at all for the mBJ calculation where
>                 the files lda.* are located.
>                 It's only important to use save_lapw after the LDA calculation
>                 to avoid to mix the LDA and mBJ results in the same scf file.
>
>
>                 On Tuesday 2016-05-24 14:04, Dr. K. C. Bhamu wrote:
>
>                       Date: Tue, 24 May 2016 14:04:28
>                       From: Dr. K. C. Bhamu <kcbhamu85 at gmail.com>
>                       Reply-To: A Mailing list for WIEN2k users <wien at zeus.theochem.tuwien.ac.at>
>                       To: A Mailing list for WIEN2k users <wien at zeus.theochem.tuwien.ac.at>
>                       Subject: Re: [Wien] A small query
>
>                       Dear Dr. Tran
>                       In addition to this query, my mail is just for your confirmation whether I
>                       did correct or not.
>                       I optimized atomic positions using lda. Then did "save_lapw -d lda"
>                       and run mbj as suggested in UG.
>                       I did not keep lda.scf for mBJ calculation and ran with "run_lapw -p"
>
>                       Does it correct or should I keep lda.scf in pwd for mBJ?
>
>                       Kind regards
>                       Bhamu
>
>
>                       On Tue, May 24, 2016 at 5:27 PM, <tran at theochem.tuwien.ac.at> wrote:
>                            This warning concerns the forces which are used for the
>                            optimization of
>                            the position of atoms. So, I guess that you are optimizing the
>                            position
>                            of atoms, which should not be (and can not be) done with mBJ
>                            since mBJ
>                            is only a potential (no associated energy) that should be used
>                            only for
>                            band structure. Run a mBJ calculation only at a fixed geometry
>                            (GGA or experimental, etc.).
>
>                            F. Tran
>
>                            On Tuesday 2016-05-24 13:42, Yedu Kondalu wrote:
>
>                                  Date: Tue, 24 May 2016 13:42:57
>                                  From: Yedu Kondalu <nykondalu at gmail.com>
>                                  Reply-To: A Mailing list for WIEN2k users
>                                  <wien at zeus.theochem.tuwien.ac.at>
>                                  To: wien at zeus.theochem.tuwien.ac.at
>                                  Subject: Re: [Wien] Warnings in TB-mBJ calculation
>                                  but not in (LDA/GGA)
>                                     calculation
>
>                                  Dear sir,
>
>                                     Here are the warning in the SCF file while
>                                  running TB-mBJ calculation.
>
>                                  grep -e :WARN *.scf
>
>                                  :WARN  FCORE for atom   1 not converged at RMT.
>                                  Estimated inaccuracy:  0.1184 mRy/bohr
>                                  :WARN  FCORE for atom   2 not converged at RMT.
>                                  Estimated inaccuracy:  0.3456 mRy/bohr
>                                  :WARN  FCORE for atom   3 not converged at RMT.
>                                  Estimated inaccuracy:  0.2879 mRy/bohr
>                                  :WARN  FCORE for atom   4 not converged at RMT.
>                                  Estimated inaccuracy:  0.1170 mRy/bohr
>                                  :WARN  FCORE for atom   5 not converged at RMT.
>                                  Estimated inaccuracy:  0.2888 mRy/bohr
>                                  :WARN  FCORE for atom   6 not converged at RMT.
>                                  Estimated inaccuracy:  0.3401 mRy/bohr
>
>
>                                  grep :ENE *.scf
>
>                                  :ENE  : ********** TOTAL ENERGY IN Ry =     
>                                  -238077.92106926
>                                  :ENE  : ********** TOTAL ENERGY IN Ry =     
>                                  -238077.88615877
>                                  :ENE  : ********** TOTAL ENERGY IN Ry =     
>                                  -238077.83389420
>                                  :ENE  : ********** TOTAL ENERGY IN Ry =     
>                                  -238077.80209222
>                                  :ENE  : ********** TOTAL ENERGY IN Ry =     
>                                  -238077.79086646
>                                  :ENE  : ********** TOTAL ENERGY IN Ry =     
>                                  -238077.77803982
>                                  :ENE  : ********** TOTAL ENERGY IN Ry =     
>                                  -238077.77699976
>                                  :ENE  : ********** TOTAL ENERGY IN Ry =     
>                                  -238077.77646892
>                                  :ENE  : ********** TOTAL ENERGY IN Ry =     
>                                  -238077.77629528
>                                  :ENE  : ********** TOTAL ENERGY IN Ry =     
>                                  -238077.77610768
>                                  :ENE  : ********** TOTAL ENERGY IN Ry =     
>                                  -238077.77607630
>                                  :ENE  : ********** TOTAL ENERGY IN Ry =     
>                                  -238077.77603251
>                                  :ENE  : ********** TOTAL ENERGY IN Ry =     
>                                  -238077.77601900
>                                  :ENE  : *WARNING** TOTAL ENERGY IN Ry =     
>                                  -237913.10481970
>                                  :ENE  : *WARNING** TOTAL ENERGY IN Ry =     
>                                  -237912.58423592
>                                  :ENE  : *WARNING** TOTAL ENERGY IN Ry =     
>                                  -237912.26250577
>                                  :ENE  : *WARNING** TOTAL ENERGY IN Ry =     
>                                  -237912.04291171
>                                  :ENE  : *WARNING** TOTAL ENERGY IN Ry =     
>                                  -237911.89361189
>                                  :ENE  : *WARNING** TOTAL ENERGY IN Ry =     
>                                  -237911.78337650
>                                  :ENE  : *WARNING** TOTAL ENERGY IN Ry =     
>                                  -237911.70786686
>                                  :ENE  : *WARNING** TOTAL ENERGY IN Ry =     
>                                  -237911.64791205
>                                  :ENE  : *WARNING** TOTAL ENERGY IN Ry =     
>                                  -237911.60856615
>                                  :ENE  : *WARNING** TOTAL ENERGY IN Ry =     
>                                  -237911.57382848
>                                  :ENE  : *WARNING** TOTAL ENERGY IN Ry =     
>                                  -237911.55377846
>                                  :ENE  : *WARNING** TOTAL ENERGY IN Ry =     
>                                  -237911.53263201
>                                  :ENE  : *WARNING** TOTAL ENERGY IN Ry =     
>                                  -237911.52423892
>                                  :ENE  : *WARNING** TOTAL ENERGY IN Ry =     
>                                  -237911.51178371
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>                                  Best regards
>                                  N. Yedukondalu
>                                  ACRHEM, University of Hyderabad.
>                                  Hyderabad, India.
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>                                    
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>                                  On Tue, May 24, 2016 at 3:48 PM, Yedu Kondalu
>                                  <nykondalu at gmail.com> wrote:
>                                       Dear Prof. P. Blaha and wien2k users,
>
>                                     We are doing electronic structure calculations
>                                  for MX2 type compound. As a first step we performed
>                                  the scf calculation and it is completed
>                                  successfully without any warning in the total
>                                  energy. As a next step, we did TB-mBJ calculation to
>                                  get reliable band gap. However, we end up
>                                  with warnings in scf file for the total energies
>                                  till end of the calculations.
>
>                                        We also attempted to solve this problem by
>                                  following some suggestions from you previously for
>                                  HfO2 system
>                       (http://wien.zeus.theochem.tuwien.ac.narkive.com/dXWnRjph/fcore-not-converg
>                                  ed-at-rmt-warnings) but still warning remains the
>                                  same. So, we
>                                  kindly request you to suggest us a way to solve this
>                                  problem.
>
>                                  We also attached the structure file for your kind
>                                  reference. Please find the attachment.
>
>                                  Thanking you sir,
>
>                                  Best regards
>                                  N. Yedukondalu
>                                  ACRHEM, University of Hyderabad.
>                                  Hyderabad, India.
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>                                  --
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>                                      C/O Dr. G. S. Vaitheeswaran
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