[Wien] Questions about Na2IrO3 (PBE+SOC+U calculation with magnetic order)

Hung Yu Yang yanghw at bc.edu
Wed Aug 9 00:05:43 CEST 2017


Thanks a lot for the replies from both of you! And in this case the orbital
moment is indeed not negligible when I checked :ORB (~0.4).

Yours sincerely,

Hung-Yu

On Mon, Aug 7, 2017 at 4:27 AM, pieper <pieper at ifp.tuwien.ac.at> wrote:

> Of course! The local moments in an AF insulator can be anything. I just
> saw that there is only one type of magnetic atom in the unit cell (Ir) and
> did not think properly. Sorry for that one.
>
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> Dr. Martin Pieper
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>
> Am 07.08.2017 09:18, schrieb Peter Blaha:
>
>> The Ir moments are read from case.scf file, but why should it be near
>>> an integer, and what is the unit of the reported moments in case.scf
>>> file? If the unit is bohr magneton, then for a spin 1/2, should it be
>>> ~1.7?
>>>
>>
>> For a FERROmagnetic insulator, the TOTAL spin moment/cell must be
>> integer. The moments of individual atoms can have any value.
>>
>> For an ANTIferromagnet, the total spin moment/cell must be zero, and
>> of course the atomic moments can again have any value.
>>
>> What you get by :MMT or MMIxxx are spin moments only.
>>
>> The moments are given in Bohr magnetons (mu_B), but are the spin
>> moments, not the effective moments. Thus if you have one unpaired
>> electron the spin moment is one.
>>
>> PS: For your compound, the orbital moments are probably as important
>> as the spin moments and you must add them to get the total moment.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> The gap can be roughly seen along the k-path I plotted and is checked by
>>> DOS plot, which shows it's an insulator.
>>>
>>> Yours sincerely,
>>>
>>> Hung-Yu
>>>
>>> On Sun, Aug 6, 2017 at 11:03 AM, pieper <pieper at ifp.tuwien.ac.at
>>> <mailto:pieper at ifp.tuwien.ac.at>> wrote:
>>>
>>>     A few thoughts on this:
>>>
>>>     ad 1)
>>>     Presumably Ir is the magnetic ion, so what you describe seems to be
>>>     ok with me. I did not check your .struct file, however.
>>>
>>>     ad 2)
>>>     See chapters 4.5.6 and 7.4 of the UG (Wien2k 17.1) on ther
>>>     orb-program, and the references therein. Personally I found the .pdf
>>>     file of his talk on LDA+U very usefull that E. Assmann posted on the
>>>     Wien2k-site.
>>>
>>>     Note the recommendation in the UG for the SIC-mode of orb for of
>>>     strongly correlated systems: set J=0 and use only U_eff=U-J. The
>>>     value of U_eff is something you will have to decide, perhaps based
>>>     on the approach described by Madsen and Novak cited in the UG. You
>>>     also might want to take a look at eece as an alternative (UG chapter
>>>     4.5.7)
>>>
>>>     >From many comments here in the mailing list and from the UG (again
>>>     e.g. chapter 5.5.7, 4.5.8) I take it that PBE is what you should do
>>>     if you want to calculate spacial charge and spin distributions, but
>>>     to calculate gaps you may have to switch to numerically much more
>>>     costly hybrid methods.
>>>
>>>     You probably can (mis)use U_eff as a free parameter to adjust the
>>>     gap in your PBE calculation to your favorite value. However, the
>>>     physical meaning of the value would be dubious (imho), and there is
>>>     no guarantee that the Ir-moments simultaneously come near your
>>>     favorit 'theoretical moments' (whatever the actual value and origin
>>>     of those is).
>>>
>>>     ad 3) Don't bother with the starting values of local moments for
>>>     atomic configurations, and for an antiferromagnet the interstitial
>>>     moment obviously should stay close to zero.
>>>
>>>     But the moments you give in your table are very far from integer.
>>>     Are this Ir-spin moments from  case.scf or did you add orbital
>>>     moemnts calculated by lapwdm? The spin moments should be somewhere
>>>     near integer for an insulator.
>>>
>>>     So, how did you determine the gap in the table? Did you plot a DOS?
>>>     Is this really an insulator, or are there in fact bands crossing
>>>     E_F? You might severly misjudge the (direct?) gap depending on where
>>>     in k-space it is and the points in your k-list.
>>>
>>>     Good luck
>>>
>>>     ---
>>>     Dr. Martin Pieper
>>>     Karl-Franzens University
>>>     Institute of Physics
>>>     Universitätsplatz 5
>>>     A-8010 Graz
>>>     Austria
>>>     Tel.: +43-(0)316-380-8564 <tel:%2B43-%280%29316-380-8564>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>     Am 04.08.2017 19:22, schrieb Hung Yu Yang:
>>>
>>>         Dear WIEN2k developers and users,
>>>
>>>         I am trying to do a calculation on Na2IrO3, which has a band gap
>>>         ~340meV and a zigzag antiferromagnetic order in its ground
>>>         state, and
>>>         I have some questions as follow:
>>>
>>>         1. To assign the zigzag antiferromagnetic order, what I did is
>>>         that I
>>>         first made a cif file that has two inequivalent Ir atoms, and let
>>>         WIEN2k decide the symmetry for me. I adopted the generated
>>>         structural
>>>         file (attached in this mail), checked the cif file in some
>>>         visulization software and made sure they were structurally
>>>         equivalent
>>>         except that there were 2 inequivalent Ir atoms instead of 1. Is
>>> this
>>>         the proper way to generate structural files for magnetically
>>> ordered
>>>         systems?
>>>
>>>         2. After generating the desired structural file, I put up on Ir1
>>>         atom
>>>         and down on the other (Ir2), used several different combinations
>>>         of U
>>>         and J, and I got the following results:
>>>
>>>         U(eV)         J(eV)         Ueff=U-J (eV)      Moment(Ir1, Ir2)
>>>           Gap(meV)
>>>         2.1             0.6             1.5
>>>         0.22532,-0.22439        ~700meV
>>>         2.4             0                2.4
>>>         0.30105,-0.30109        ~750meV
>>>         3                0.6             2.4
>>>         0.23225,-0.23235        ~900meV
>>>         3                1.5             1.5
>>>         0.17203,-0.17210        ~900meV
>>>
>>>         First, in this test, it seems that the gap is affected by U
>>>         only, not
>>>         Ueff=U-J. Second, the moments of Ir seemed to be closely related
>>>         to J.
>>>         In this situation, what is the proper way to assign U and J? I
>>>         am not
>>>         sure how much it means if I just try to tune U and J until they
>>>         match
>>>         the experimental gap and/or theoretical moments.
>>>
>>>         3. I also have a question about the unit of moment given here; I
>>>         understand that the moments depend on the RMT sizes and I
>>>         assumed the
>>>         unit is in bohr magneton, but the first value shown for Ir atom
>>> is
>>>         0.76697 and I am not sure in what unit is this value and how it
>>>         assigns the initial moment for a certain element (say, Ir in my
>>>         case).
>>>         Also, the interstitial moments are nearly 0 among all the cycles.
>>>
>>>         For this calculation, kpoints=450, RKmax=8 and I had to use the
>>> TEMP
>>>         scheme for it to converge. I appreciate any reply from you.
>>>
>>>         Yours sincerely,
>>>
>>>         Hung-Yu
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