[Wien] confusion regarding band structure of Graphene

xavier rocquefelte xavier.rocquefelte at univ-rennes1.fr
Fri Dec 30 18:27:18 CET 2022


OK :) Using HSE06 allows to do not have to do correction.

But you must be aware that you are in the error bar of the method. It is 
why I was surprised by this calculation (between materials used as 
negative electrodes).

The error bar in HSE is about 0.1, 0.2 and can reach 0.4 V in some 
cases, as shown in this paper: 
https://www.nature.com/articles/npjcompumats20162.

Best regards

Xavier




On 30/12/2022 17:44, shamik chakrabarti wrote:
> Dear Prof. Xavier,
>
>                    I have used HSE06 to simulate both C6 (graphene) & 
> LiC6 with monoclinic structure & obtained 0.12 V (with respect to Li 
> cathode) which matches perfectly with the experimental report.
>
> Looking forward to your further advice Sir.
>
> with regards,
>
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, 30 Dec 2022 at 21:01, xavier rocquefelte 
> <xavier.rocquefelte at univ-rennes1.fr> wrote:
>
>     One more point the negative electrode is usually graphite and not
>     graphene.
>
>     To estimate a voltage you need a positive electrode.
>
>     Estimating the voltage implies to properly treat not only the
>     negative but the positive electrode materials and with the same
>     functional.
>
>     Best regards
>
>     Xavier
>
>     On 30/12/2022 16:26, xavier rocquefelte wrote:
>>
>>     Dear Shamik
>>
>>     I certainly did not follow all the discussion but it seems to me
>>     that your objective is reachable if you properly define your
>>     parameters.
>>
>>     You mention that the band structure is finally not the essential
>>     point and you want to have a proper estimation of the voltage.
>>
>>     Here are two well-known problems:
>>
>>     - Li batteries voltage estimation is usually wrong and
>>     corrections must be applied (depending on the functional). I
>>     recommend the publications of Ceder's group.
>>
>>     - The choice of the functional may be crucial and for carbon GGA
>>     is sometimes not the best.
>>
>>     I will thus recommend first to choose your functional by
>>     estimating properly the band structure of the hexagonal cell of
>>     graphene and only after switch to the monoclinic cell to estimate
>>     the voltage.
>>
>>     Best regards
>>
>>     Xavier
>>
>>     On 30/12/2022 15:51, shamik chakrabarti wrote:
>>>     Dear Prof. Blaha,
>>>
>>>                         I think the structure as used by me & as can
>>>     be used by downloading Graphene CIF file from material project
>>>     database are same with different representation. I have checked
>>>     the XRD of both the structures in VESTA & they are providing the
>>>     same XRD pattern for both the structures. In this regard
>>>     lithiation voltage for both the cases should be same. However
>>>     the bandstructures need special k points which is available for
>>>     hexagonal lattice & not for this monoclinic lattice. However, if
>>>     the voltage is accurate I will not bother for the band structure.
>>>
>>>     with kind regards,
>>>
>>>     On Fri, 30 Dec 2022 at 19:08, shamik chakrabarti
>>>     <shamik15041981 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>         Specially if I want LiC6 unit cell?...
>>>
>>>         On Fri, Dec 30, 2022, 18:47 shamik chakrabarti
>>>         <shamik15041981 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>             Dear Prof. Blaha,
>>>              .   .   .  .  .  .  Thank you for your reply Sir. I
>>>             have a very dumb question. Whether the voltage simulated
>>>             by this attached structure will provide the same as will
>>>             be provided by the single unit cell?
>>>
>>>             With kind regards,
>>>
>>>             On Fri, Dec 30, 2022, 18:03 Peter Blaha
>>>             <peter.blaha at tuwien.ac.at> wrote:
>>>
>>>                 This is not the smallest unit cell of graphene but a
>>>                 3 times larger
>>>                 monoclinic cell.
>>>
>>>                 Start with graphite, remove the atoms at the second
>>>                 z=0.75 layer and
>>>                 eventually add some vacuum along z.
>>>
>>>
>>>                 Am 29.12.2022 um 18:34 schrieb shamik chakrabarti:
>>>                 > The structure of monolayer Graphenbe as I have
>>>                 used is attached for your
>>>                 > reference.
>>>                 >
>>>                 > On Thu, 29 Dec 2022 at 18:32, shamik chakrabarti
>>>                 > <shamik15041981 at gmail.com
>>>                 <mailto:shamik15041981 at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>                 >
>>>                 >     Dear Wien2k users,
>>>                 >
>>>                 >                              I have simulated a
>>>                 structure of Graphene
>>>                 >     monolayer with primitive cell. I am getting
>>>                 DOS & voltage
>>>                 >     accurately. However, while plotting band
>>>                 structure I am facing a
>>>                 >     problem. In hexagonal Graphene the band
>>>                 structure can be obtained
>>>                 >     with Gamma-M-K-Gamma, where K is the dirac
>>>                 point. However, in my
>>>                 >     primitive cell I am getting a Brillouin Zone
>>>                 of reciprocal lattice &
>>>                 >     not able to detect the Dirac point.
>>>                 >
>>>                 >     The purpose of taking a primitive cell of
>>>                 monolayer Graphene lies on
>>>                 >     the fact that I need control over all the C atoms.
>>>                 >
>>>                 >     Looking forward to hearing from you.
>>>                 >
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>>>                 >
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