[Wien] Spin-polarized state not really spin-polarized

xavier rocquefelte xavier.rocquefelte at univ-rennes1.fr
Sun Oct 30 17:31:07 CET 2022


Dear Pascal,

I think that in such a case you definitely need to include the 
spin-orbit coupling to insure that the bands will be properly treated 
near the Fermi energy, for instance.

Indeed, in the lift of the degeneracies spin-orbit will be significant 
and can really play a role in stabilizing a specific spin configuration.

I will not go towards runfsm, but I will first try to define a starting 
point with no magnetic moments on the expected "non-magnetic elements".

Experimentally Pb31TlTe32 is metallic or semiconductor?

Best regards

Xavier


On 30/10/2022 16:30, pboulet wrote:
> All right, so here are the MMTOT data:
>
> Starting point of SCF: 123.85779
> Converged: 0.05631
>
> And MMI ones:
> Starting point:
> :MMINT:  MAGNETIC MOMENT IN INTERSTITIAL  = 71.11022
> :MMI001: MAGNETIC MOMENT IN SPHERE   1    =  1.03742
> :MMI002: MAGNETIC MOMENT IN SPHERE   2    =  1.03736
> :MMI003: MAGNETIC MOMENT IN SPHERE   3    =  0.62202
> :MMI004: MAGNETIC MOMENT IN SPHERE   4    =  0.62205
> :MMI005: MAGNETIC MOMENT IN SPHERE   5    =  1.03746
> :MMI006: MAGNETIC MOMENT IN SPHERE   6    =  0.62203
> :MMI007: MAGNETIC MOMENT IN SPHERE   7    =  0.62196
> :MMI008: MAGNETIC MOMENT IN SPHERE   8    =  1.03238
> :MMI009: MAGNETIC MOMENT IN SPHERE   9    =  0.62236
> :MMI010: MAGNETIC MOMENT IN SPHERE  10    =  0.29692
>
> Converged:
> :MMINT:  MAGNETIC MOMENT IN INTERSTITIAL  =  0.04102
> :MMI001: MAGNETIC MOMENT IN SPHERE   1    =  0.00000
> :MMI002: MAGNETIC MOMENT IN SPHERE   2    = -0.00015
> :MMI003: MAGNETIC MOMENT IN SPHERE   3    =  0.00028
> :MMI004: MAGNETIC MOMENT IN SPHERE   4    =  0.00029
> :MMI005: MAGNETIC MOMENT IN SPHERE   5    = -0.00003
> :MMI006: MAGNETIC MOMENT IN SPHERE   6    =  0.00030
> :MMI007: MAGNETIC MOMENT IN SPHERE   7    =  0.00027
> :MMI008: MAGNETIC MOMENT IN SPHERE   8    =  0.00104
> :MMI009: MAGNETIC MOMENT IN SPHERE   9    =  0.00038
> :MMI010: MAGNETIC MOMENT IN SPHERE  10    =  0.00128
>
> Obviously the system converges towards a non-spin polarized state.
>
> From the literature, there has been some experimental investigation 
> on, e.g., Pb(1-x)Tl(x)Te (x=0.001-0.02). One can read: [..] Various 
> mechanisms** which can lead to observable anomalies, including 
> Kondo-like behavior of a *non-magnetic degenerate two-level system* 
> are discussed.
>
> So maybe the structure is non-magnetic.
>
> ** related to thermoelectric power
>
> Now let’s say I want to make sure this is a non-magnetic compound by 
> enforcing a magnetic state (in which case the total energy should be 
> higher than for the non-magnetic state), I should run runfsm_lapw and 
> change case.inst to enforce a spin polarization right at the 
> beginning, shouldn’t I?
>
>
> Pascal
>
>
>
>> Le 30 oct. 2022 à 14:04, fabien.tran at vasp.at a écrit :
>>
>> Dear Pascal,
>>
>> Depending on the system it may be possible to stabilize more than one 
>> magnetic state. In such cases, the magnetic state obtained at the end 
>> of the calculation typically depends on the initial magnetic state 
>> when starting the calculation. What was the initial magnetic state in 
>> your calculation? Grep for :MMTOT (total moment in cell) or :MMI 
>> (moment on atoms) in case.scf to see how these quantities evolved 
>> during the SCF procedure. Is Pb31TlTe32 supposed to be magnetic 
>> according to experiment?
>>
>> On 30.10.2022 13:07, pboulet wrote:
>>> Dear all,
>>> I am investigating Pb31TlTe32 in which Tl is the only element that
>>> bring an odd number of electrons.
>>> I have set up a spin-polarized calculation with init_lapw, but not
>>> with an anti-ferromagnetic state.
>>> As a starting point, I do not include spin-orbit and I use PBE.
>>> NOE=959 in the structure.
>>> After converging the SCF, I end up with the following (to me strange)
>>> occupation states:
>>> For spin up:
>>> :BAN00479: 479    0.272337    0.309267  1.00000000
>>> :BAN00480: 480    0.283605    0.328642  0.50431432
>>> :BAN00481: 481    0.371927    0.455285  0.00000000
>>> For spin down:
>>> :BAN00479: 479    0.272405    0.309306  1.00000000
>>> :BAN00480: 480    0.283720    0.328787  0.49568569
>>> :BAN00481: 481    0.372018    0.455369  0.00000000
>>> I rather expected to have 480 spin up occupied states with 1 electron
>>> and 479 spin down occupied states with 1 electron, but I have
>>> something like a closed-shell spin polarized state.
>>> Is it what we should expect?
>>> If not, could you please explain me what happens and eventually how to
>>> remedy this to have a ‘real’ spin polarized state?
>>> Thank you
>>> Pascal
>>> Pascal Boulet
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