[Wien] Multipole moments
Gavin Abo
gabo13279 at gmail.com
Sat Jul 25 09:36:02 CEST 2026
Prof. Marks,
Sorry for not having an answer for your question.
While on this topic though, I'm curious. Do you maybe know why in the
output0 file for lapw0 that the pseudo multipole moment (Q) seems to be
obtainable by adding (Q-sp + Q-pw) instead of by subtracting (Q-sp -
Q-pw)? More about that using output from the Ti example below.
I asked Google's AI, and it told me the Weinert pseudo-charge method [1]
replaces the real charge density inside each sphere with a smooth,
Fourier-transformable pseudo-charge density that preserves multipole
moments.
The WIEN2k 23.2 usersguide [2] on page 134 has:
/By subtracting Q-pw from Q-sp one obtains pseudo-multipole moments Q. /
Equation (16) in Weinert's article [1]:
q̃_lm^i = q_lm^i - q_lm^Ii (or Q = Q-sp - Q-pw)
Q: The pseudo multipole moment.
Q-sp: The multipole moment for the real charge density inside the sphere.
Q-pw: The "artificial" plane wave multipole moment per [2]. Seems to be
used mathematically as a background to smooth Q-sp. On slide 3 of [3], I
believe the /ρ^I(r) has no physical meaning/ might be relatable to Q-pw
being "artificial".
Here is the hand calculator calculation using the values from Ti.output0
below:
Q_00 = 0.721110477 + 0.846375509 = 1.567485986
Q_40 = -0.391499782 + 0.323553281 = -0.067946501
*TiC.output0*
...
------------------------------
M U L T I P O L M O M E N T S
------------------------------
ATOM= 1 Ti Z=22.00 LM= 5 POSITION= 0.000 0.000
0.000
L= 0 M= 0 SPHERE MM = 0.721110477 0.000000000
L= 4 M= 0 SPHERE MM = -0.391499782 0.000000000
...
ATOM= 1 Ti Z=22.00 LM= 5 POSITION= 0.000 0.000
0.000
L= 0 M= 0 PLANE WAVE MULTIPOLMOMENT = 0.846375509 0.000000000
L= 4 M= 0 PLANE WAVE MULTIPOLMOMENT = 0.323553281 0.000000000
...
ATOM= 1 Ti Z=22.00 LM= 5 POSITION= 0.000 0.000
0.000
L= 0 M= 0 PSEUDO MULTIPOLMOMENT = 1.567485986 0.000000000
L= 4 M= 0 PSEUDO MULTIPOLMOMENT = -0.067946502 0.000000000
...
Of possible interest, the article at [4] looks to be referring to the
charge inside the sphere as a monopole:
/[...] Hammann [5] and Weinert [1] developed the so-called pseudo-charge
method, making use of the fact that the Coulomb potential outside a
sphere depends only on the charge outside the sphere and the multipoles
of the charge inside. In the spherical charge approximation, this is
simply the integral of the charge (monopole) inside the sphere./
[1] https://doi.org/10.1063/1.524800
[2] https://susi.theochem.tuwien.ac.at/reg_user/textbooks/usersguide.pdf
[3] https://www.flapw.de/pm/uploads/User-Documentation/krasovskii.pdf
[4] http://jswl.xml-journal.net/en/article/id/1895
[5] Private communications cited in [1]
Thanks,
Gavin
WIEN2k user
On 7/24/2026 2:00 PM, Laurence Marks wrote:
> A quick double check; the multipole moments (MULT in case.in0 is
> simplest) are the dipole from the sphere and the plane waves in some
> units? (I have to work out exactly what the pseudo moments are.) If I
> am correct then they are a quick metric of the on-site polarization,
> which is a useful number (for me).
>
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> Northwestern University
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