<html><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:16px"><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1418860048326_3238"><span id="yui_3_16_0_1_1418860048326_3239">Thank you so much</span></div><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1418860048326_3237"><span><br></span></div><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1418860048326_3234"><span id="yui_3_16_0_1_1418860048326_3233">I got the answer.</span></div><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1418860048326_3234"><span><br></span></div><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1418860048326_3234"><span id="yui_3_16_0_1_1418860048326_3243">The best</span></div><br> <div style="font-family: times new roman, new york, times, serif; font-size: 16px;" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1418860048326_3172"> <div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1418860048326_3171"> <div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1418860048326_3232"> <hr size="1" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1418860048326_3240"> <font size="2" face="Arial" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1418860048326_3231"> <b id="yui_3_16_0_1_1418860048326_3245"><span style="font-weight:bold;" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1418860048326_3244">From:</span></b> Kevin Jorissen <kevinjorissenpdx@gmail.com><br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> A Mailing list for WIEN2k users <wien@zeus.theochem.tuwien.ac.at> <br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Wednesday, December 17, 2014 3:34 AM<br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [Wien] Magic angle for different edges in a sample<br> </font> </div> <div class="y_msg_container" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1418860048326_3170"><br><div id="yiv8082387883"><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1418860048326_3169"><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1418860048326_3168">Hi Hajar,<div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1418860048326_3241"><br clear="none"></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1418860048326_3242">The edge energies are ~800% different, and the magic angles will also be ~800% different. It will be completely impossible to have both edges within magic angle in the same experiment. Although that is likely a theoretical problem, as I don't think people usually measure EELS up to 10,000 eV. That's more X-ray regime. (There is also a so-called "magic angle" in x-ray absorption spectroscopy, but it's something completely different from the magic angle in EELS.)</div><div><br clear="none"><div><br clear="none"></div><div>I highly recommend the Hebert paper (2006). The Sun and Yuan paper is also good but (my memory may be wrong on this) it may contain a mistake in some of the algebra, whereas the Hebert paper is definitely relativistically correct.</div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>Cheers</div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>Kevin</div><div><br clear="none"></div></div></div><div class="yiv8082387883gmail_extra"><br clear="none"><div class="yiv8082387883gmail_quote">On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 9:11 AM, Hajar Nejati <span dir="ltr"><<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:hajar.nejatipoor@yahoo.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:hajar.nejatipoor@yahoo.com">hajar.nejatipoor@yahoo.com</a>></span> wrote:<blockquote class="yiv8082387883gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"><div class="qtdSeparateBR"><br><br></div><div class="yiv8082387883yqt4895613854" id="yiv8082387883yqt71593"><div><div style="color:#000;background-color:#fff;font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:16px;"><div><div><div style="color:#000;background-color:#fff;font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:16px;"><div dir="ltr"><span>Dear Kevin</span></div><div dir="ltr"><span><br clear="none"></span></div><div dir="ltr"><span>Thank you for your reply</span></div><div dir="ltr"><span><br clear="none"></span></div><div dir="ltr"><span>For example, the energy loss of K- and L-edge of a Zn atom in ZnS are 9670 and 1043 eV, respectively.</span></div><div dir="ltr"><span>Can one expect the magic angle for K- and L-edge belonged to a Zn atom to be the same?</span></div><br clear="none"> <div style="font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:16px;"> <div style="font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:16px;"> <div><br clear="none"><br clear="none"></div><div><div dir="ltr"> <hr size="1"> <font face="Arial"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> Kevin Jorissen <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:kevinjorissenpdx@gmail.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:kevinjorissenpdx@gmail.com">kevinjorissenpdx@gmail.com</a>><span class="yiv8082387883"><br clear="none"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">To:</span></b> A Mailing list for WIEN2k users <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:wien@zeus.theochem.tuwien.ac.at" target="_blank" href="mailto:wien@zeus.theochem.tuwien.ac.at">wien@zeus.theochem.tuwien.ac.at</a>> <br clear="none"> </span><b><span style="font-weight:bold;">Sent:</span></b> Tuesday, December 16, 2014 3:54 AM</font><div><div class="yiv8082387883h5"><br clear="none"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [Wien] Magic angle for different edges in a sample<br clear="none"> </div></div> </div><div><div class="yiv8082387883h5"> <div><br clear="none"><div><div><div dir="ltr">It's a function of the energy loss. If the L and K edge belong to different elements and are at approximately the same energy loss, then they will have approximately the same magic angle.<div><br clear="none"></div><div><br clear="none"></div></div><div><br clear="none"><div>On Tue, Dec 16, 2014 at 12:00 PM, Hajar Nejati <span dir="ltr"><<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:hajar.nejatipoor@yahoo.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:hajar.nejatipoor@yahoo.com">hajar.nejatipoor@yahoo.com</a>></span> wrote:<blockquote style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"><div><br clear="none"><br clear="none"></div><div><div><div style="color:#000;background-color:#fff;font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:16px;"><div dir="ltr"><span>Thank you dear Ciao</span></div><br clear="none"> <div style="font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:16px;"> <div style="font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:16px;"> <div dir="ltr"> <hr size="1"> <font face="Arial"><span> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> "Fecher, Gerhard" <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:fecher@uni-mainz.de" target="_blank" href="mailto:fecher@uni-mainz.de">fecher@uni-mainz.de</a>><br clear="none"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">To:</span></b> A Mailing list for WIEN2k users <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:wien@zeus.theochem.tuwien.ac.at" target="_blank" href="mailto:wien@zeus.theochem.tuwien.ac.at">wien@zeus.theochem.tuwien.ac.at</a>> <br clear="none"> </span><b><span style="font-weight:bold;">Sent:</span></b> Tuesday, December 16, 2014 1:34 AM</font><div><div><br clear="none"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [Wien] Magic angle for different edges in a sample<br clear="none"> </div></div> </div><div><div> <div><br clear="none">maybe you should read<br clear="none">Phys. Rev. B 71, 125109 (2005)<br clear="none">by Y. Sun and J. Yuan<br clear="none"><br clear="none">Ciao<br clear="none">Gerhard<br clear="none"><br clear="none">DEEP THOUGHT in D. Adams; Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy:<br clear="none">"I think the problem, to be quite honest with you,<br clear="none">is that you have never actually known what the question is."<br clear="none"><br clear="none">====================================<br clear="none">Dr. Gerhard H. Fecher<br clear="none">Institut of Inorganic and Analytical Chemistry<br clear="none">Johannes Gutenberg - University<br clear="none">55099 Mainz<br clear="none">and<br clear="none">Max Planck Institute for Chemical Physics of Solids<br clear="none">01187 Dresden<br clear="none">________________________________________<br clear="none">Von: <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:wien-bounces@zeus.theochem.tuwien.ac.at" target="_blank" href="mailto:wien-bounces@zeus.theochem.tuwien.ac.at">wien-bounces@zeus.theochem.tuwien.ac.at</a> [<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:wien-bounces@zeus.theochem.tuwien.ac.at" target="_blank" href="mailto:wien-bounces@zeus.theochem.tuwien.ac.at">wien-bounces@zeus.theochem.tuwien.ac.at</a>] im Auftrag von Hajar Nejati [<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:hajar.nejatipoor@yahoo.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:hajar.nejatipoor@yahoo.com">hajar.nejatipoor@yahoo.com</a>]<br clear="none">Gesendet: Dienstag, 16. Dezember 2014 08:45<br clear="none">An: A Mailing list for WIEN2k users<br clear="none">Betreff: Re: [Wien] Magic angle for different edges in a sample<br clear="none"><br clear="none">dear Gerhard<br clear="none"><br clear="none">My mean of magic angle is a collection semi-angle in the ELNES spectrum that gives rise to the orientation-independent spectrum.<br clear="none"><br clear="none">________________________________<br clear="none">From: "Fecher, Gerhard" <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:fecher@uni-mainz.de" target="_blank" href="mailto:fecher@uni-mainz.de">fecher@uni-mainz.de</a>><br clear="none">To: A Mailing list for WIEN2k users <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:wien@zeus.theochem.tuwien.ac.at" target="_blank" href="mailto:wien@zeus.theochem.tuwien.ac.at">wien@zeus.theochem.tuwien.ac.at</a>><br clear="none">Sent: Monday, December 15, 2014 11:27 PM<br clear="none">Subject: Re: [Wien] Magic angle for different edges in a sample<br clear="none"><br clear="none">what do you mean with "magic angle" ?<br clear="none">Do you mean the angle where the second Legendre polynonial vanishes ?<br clear="none"><br clear="none">Ciao<br clear="none">Gerhard<br clear="none"><br clear="none">DEEP THOUGHT in D. Adams; Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy:<br clear="none">"I think the problem, to be quite honest with you,<br clear="none">is that you have never actually known what the question is."<br clear="none"><br clear="none">====================================<br clear="none">Dr. Gerhard H. Fecher<br clear="none">Institut of Inorganic and Analytical Chemistry<br clear="none">Johannes Gutenberg - University<br clear="none">55099 Mainz<br clear="none">and<br clear="none">Max Planck Institute for Chemical Physics of Solids<br clear="none">01187 Dresden<br clear="none">________________________________________<br clear="none"><br clear="none"><br clear="none"><br clear="none">Von: <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:wien-bounces@zeus.theochem.tuwien.ac.at" target="_blank" href="mailto:wien-bounces@zeus.theochem.tuwien.ac.at">wien-bounces@zeus.theochem.tuwien.ac.at</a><mailto:<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:wien-bounces@zeus.theochem.tuwien.ac.at" target="_blank" href="mailto:wien-bounces@zeus.theochem.tuwien.ac.at">wien-bounces@zeus.theochem.tuwien.ac.at</a>> [<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:wien-bounces@zeus.theochem.tuwien.ac.at" target="_blank" href="mailto:wien-bounces@zeus.theochem.tuwien.ac.at">wien-bounces@zeus.theochem.tuwien.ac.at</a><mailto:<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:wien-bounces@zeus.theochem.tuwien.ac.at" target="_blank" href="mailto:wien-bounces@zeus.theochem.tuwien.ac.at">wien-bounces@zeus.theochem.tuwien.ac.at</a>>] im Auftrag von Hajar Nejati [<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:hajar.nejatipoor@yahoo.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:hajar.nejatipoor@yahoo.com">hajar.nejatipoor@yahoo.com</a><mailto:<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:hajar.nejatipoor@yahoo.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:hajar.nejatipoor@yahoo.com">hajar.nejatipoor@yahoo.com</a>>]<br clear="none">Gesendet: Dienstag, 16. 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