<div dir="ltr">A complex question, without a completely simple answer.<div><br></div><div>First, both optimization methods are sensitive to the parameters being used, for instance the number of k-points, TEMPS versus TETRA, how "good" the RMTs are as well as which version you are using. While you do not need these to be perfect, they should be reasonably good. Without knowing more about your parameters it is hard to say. I strongly suggest using TEMPS with 0.0018 (room T) rather than TETRA. There is some telegraph noise in TETRA with MSR1a which can be problematic.</div><div><br></div><div>It is also not obvious from your email to what level System 2 has not converged. In many cases MSR1a for non-insulators will converge to 1-2 mRyd/au but can oscillate particularly with the earlier versions. I am hopeful that the next version will be better, but it is still under development. In many cases forces at the level of a few mRyd/au do not matter, they are well below the accuracy of positions due to inaccurate functionals. I have seen people reporting issues on the mail list when they try and converge to very high levels -- which is a waste of electrons.</div><div><br></div><div>Comparing MSR1a and mini is not simple. With the current released version mini can be better for systems with soft modes which are not insulators. However, mini can also be slow. One of the important issues may be how the Mn d-electrons should be treated. In many cases a better treatment of the system leads to faster convergence. Perhaps the Mn needs to have a U or an -eece correction?</div><div><br></div><div>N.B., there is not such thing as "the correct method", there is only the one which works.</div><div><br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Feb 5, 2015 at 8:10 AM, Yevgen Melikhov <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:melikhovyy@yahoo.com" target="_blank">melikhovyy@yahoo.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Dear Prof. Blaha,<br>
Dear users of WIEN2k,<br>
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I have several questions on how best to perform optimization procedure for the following problem:<br>
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I have a system with 96 atoms (it is relatively big in order to accommodate 1% of Mn in GaAs), which I refer to as System 1. The other system is the same but with two vacancies, so, overall, I have 94 atoms in this System 2.<br>
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My first step is to relax both structures (assuming fixed lattice constant) before calculating X-ray absorption spectra.<br>
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Logically, I do not expect severe changes of atomic positions in System 1. However, for the System 2, I expect some severe rearrangements (to be confirmed yet).<br>
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In the WIEN2k User Guide it is said that there are two methods to solve relaxation problems:<br>
(i) using min command, and<br>
(ii) running run_lapw with MSR1a switch in case.inm file.<br>
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Am I correct to assume that for System 1 the method (ii) should work fine/faster?<br>
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Am I correct to state that usage of the method (ii) for System 2 is wrong or at least will take much more time to optimize positions? In fact I tried using this method (ii) for System 2 and after 2,000 (!) iterations I gave up. I can see that some atoms, which are expected to move, do move. But their positions have not converged after so many iterations.<br>
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As my system is magnetic, will it be correct to optimize first System 2 without spin polarization with method (i) and then fine tune the positions with spin polarization with method (ii). I think by doing it this way, I should speed up my calculations. I saw a discussion on this forum which took place some time ago with respect to magnetization and relaxation/optimization urging not to do that but, as magnetic atoms (Mn only) are quite far from each other this should not lead to a problem for my System, should it?<br>
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Finally, due to the nature of the LAPW method, could it be better to do optimization of atomic position using DFT software with plane waves and pseudopotentials and then continue calculations in WIEN2k? In the literature I found that some researchers do that but I wonder whether this is really that time efficient?<br>
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Any comments will be highly appreciated.<br>
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Sincerely yours,<br>
Yevgen Melikhov<br>
Institute of Physics PAN, Warsaw.<br>
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P.S. I did try to read <Mixer_Readme> (the section “Parallel Atomic Minimization Algorithms (a.k.a. the Energizer Bunny)” specifically) and <Optimization Notes> by Prof. Marks.<br>
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P.P.S. When running the method (ii) for System 2 for 2,000 (!) iterations, I did not forget to decrease RMT by 10%. When I run command nn I did not see any two atoms being very close to each other.<br>
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