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    <p>Thank you so much Laurence for this explanation which definitely
      enlight my understanding! <br>
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    <p>Could you just give me more hints. What do you mean by "fixed
      point solution" when you are speaking about the spins? <br>
    </p>
    <p>Brainstorming session:<br>
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    <p>I am a chemist but I can propose an idea without a clear
      understanding! The rotations are non-linear and we should find a
      way to express them in such a way to be linear. <br>
    </p>
    <p>Is a Fourier transform (or fractional Fourier transform or
      something related) useful in such a case? </p>
    <p>Cheers</p>
    <p>Xavier<br>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Le 01/11/2018 à 17:19, Laurence Marks a
      écrit :<br>
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          style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;color:#000000">Quite a
          few things are going on "Under the hood" in these systems, so
          let me explain a little.</div>
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          style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;color:#000000">For heavy
          atoms with large RMTs the initial pseudocharge (PW density
          inside the RMTs) from dstart is quite bad. In addition, unless
          you are careful to chose a "good" initial spin state in
          case.inst, the spins can be quite far from the fixed point
          solution. While it might appear that the density and energy
          (:DIS and :ENE) are oscillating, in reality the pseudocharge
          and the spin/orbital moments are rotating slowly in a
          N-Dimensional space. Rotations are non-linear, and the mixer
          (all versions in all DFT codes to my knowledge) use linear
          expansions. It can therefore take a long time for these
          rotations tocomplete. What you will often see if you look at
          the pseudocharge (grep :CPC in 18.1, the pseudocharge was not
          monited in earlier versions as its role was not known) you
          will often see that it is slowly "walking" -- similarly the
          spin moments etc.</div>
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          style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;color:#000000">When you
          add SOC and/or +U (or -eece) there will be large rotations of
          the spins and/or spin moments.</div>
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          style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;color:#000000">In an
          ideal world some transformation would be applied to the Wien2k
          variables to separate the pseudocharge and convert the
          rotations to linear variables. I do not know how to do this,
          and simple ideas such as using the sum and difference of spins
          don't work. (As expected, since this is a linear
          transformation.) I am open to (mathematical)
          suggestions/inspirations. It has to be math not fudge -- the
          mixer only works when the math is right!</div>
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        <div dir="ltr">On Thu, Nov 1, 2018 at 9:34 AM Xavier Rocquefelte
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          .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">I have
          exactly the same experience. It is really a matter of cooking
          to <br>
          my point of view and strongly depends on the system and what
          is <br>
          happening at the Fermi level.<br>
          <br>
          In my case I am using DFT+U+SOC for such systems. The hubbard
          term <br>
          indeed allows to separate the 4f states. However, the SOC is
          also <br>
          essential and leads to large effects in these systems.<br>
          In the case of HoPtBi, all the elements requires SOC. In
          addition it is <br>
          an intermetallic compound, meaning that you have both
          localized and <br>
          delocalized electrons!<br>
          <br>
          Did you try the following procedure:<br>
          - DFT+SOC in a self-consistent manner<br>
          - DFT+SOC+U on top of the first calculation<br>
          <br>
          Sometimes the lift of degeneracy due to SOC is sufficient to
          converge <br>
          more efficiently DFT+SOC and then after DFT+SOC+U. And
          sometimes it is <br>
          the other way around;)<br>
          <br>
          Best wishes<br>
          Xavier<br>
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