# [Wien] A question regarding magnetic/spin calculation in Wien2k please

Laurence Marks L-marks at northwestern.edu
Fri Mar 9 18:13:13 CET 2012

```Actually.... I have come across several cases where I started with a
ferromagnetic state and it converged to non-magnetic or even
antiferromagnetic, or the opposite. It does take a long time for it to
change, so as Xavier says it is probably better to start from
different minima.

Note: the atomic positions can couple in to the spin-state, so you may
need to do a full minimization not just a single set of atomic
positions.

On Fri, Mar 9, 2012 at 10:12 AM, Rocquefelte
<Xavier.Rocquefelte at cnrs-imn.fr> wrote:
> If you start from a ferromagnetic situation, you will converge towards a
> ferromagnetic state (I never encounter other situations).
> However, it does not mean that you will find the global minimum in terms of
> magnetic structure.
> It simply means that you have converged the electronic density related to
> the ferromagnetic configuration of your system (It will be a local minimum -
> a metastable situation).
>
> To know which magnetic structure is the more stable, you should try
> different magnetic ordering, or at least one ferromagnetic situation and few
> antiferromagnetic situations (if possible). Then by comparing the total
> energy of the different situations you will see which one is the more
> stable.
>
> In the other hand, another way to estimate the magnetic interactions in a
> system is to estimate the magnetic exchange couplings, J(ij), using a
> mapping analysis (based on energy differences between different magnetic
> orders). It will give you the nature of the magnetic interaction in all
> directions and will help you to figure out what is the fundamental magnetic
>
> Best Regards
>
> Xavier
>
>
>
> On 03/09/2012 04:55 PM, Qiwen YAO wrote:
>>
>> Dear all,
>>
>> is it correct to assume that the WIEN2k code will Optimizes the spin
>> structure of a stucture/cell in ground state if, I choose spin-polarized
>> calculation for the structure/cell from the beginning?
>>
>> What I mean is:
>> for a compound, I only suspecting that it is magnetic and I have to
>> include spin-polarization in the calculation, but I don't know wheather it
>> is ferromagnetic, perfect-antiferromagentic or canted antiferromagnetic or
>> even a mixed state of the magnetic status, so I would just do a
>> spin-polarized calculation (selecting all the atoms in the cell to be
>> spin-up from the beginning), then the resulting converged spin state would
>> be the loweset energy state of the compound? - if that is a yes then it i
>> s basically the case that, Wien2k sort it out itself and practically it
>> was an Optimized spin structure for the compound in the ground state?
>>
>> Thank you for your time.
>>
>> Kind regards,
>> Qiwen
>>
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