[Wien] my membership to the mailing list gets disabled every 3 weeks

[Laurence Marks]

I have a suspicion what this is, and it is something that I am struggling
with. Do any of the people who are experiencing this use .forward, or is
there a .forward within the WIEN2k subscription checking structure?

The problem may be related to what is called DMARC policy, which breaks the
standard .forward structure. As an example of this, one of the emails in
this thread (from Lyudmilla I think) did not reach me. The information I
have is:

"Remote Server returned '<gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com #5.7.1 SMTP; 550-5.7.1
Unauthenticated email from mail.ru is not accepted due to domain's>'"

(The above is truncated by the server at Northwestern.) I can find this
information at Northwestern's outlook webserver which I have configured to
forward to my gmail account.

My understanding is that when the email is forwarded by northwestern.edu to
my (main) gmail account, it is an address mail.ru being sent by
northwestern.edu. Google checks with the DMARC policy of mail.run to see if
northwestern is allowed to send a mail.run email. Since it is not, gmail
rejects it.

My understanding is that .forward is problematic, and on its way out -- I
have not heard of any way to repair/overcome this. If anyone does, please
let me know (although it is far from the topic of the list).

On Mon, Jan 30, 2017 at 10:08 AM, Fabiana Da Pieve <
fabiana.dapieve at gmail.com> wrote:

> Dear Prof. Blaha
>
> I have checked my spam inbox and no, none of the email that my gmail
> account automatically archived as spam was coming from Wien2k, in THIS last
> period.
>
> However, in the past sometimes it has happened , that's true, that I have
> found some emails from Wien2k in the spam box (one, or two over more than
> one hundred spam email).
> But considering that I am lazy in empting my spam inbox, those one/two
> emails over more than one hundred were corresponding to a period that was
> spanning more than 3 weeks.
>
> So, strange that 5 or 10 bounces are generated in a period of 3 weeks
> (which is the frequency with which I have to renew the membership).
>
> In any case, the problem is not only detected by those who have a gmail
> account (lyudmila has mail.ru
> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__mail.ru&d=CwMFaQ&c=yHlS04HhBraes5BQ9ueu5zKhE7rtNXt_d012z2PA6ws&r=U_T4PL6jwANfAy4rnxTj8IUxm818jnvqKFdqWLwmqg0&m=DRJXGa8aJUZMjPZlHvMImdcRvCzSJceg5-cxviQ9e5k&s=soIag9ol_uWKwbp2vGj5YvPfAn4aCEN9KnJdavDNvvk&e=>
> )
>
> Thanks for your attention
> Fabiana
>
>
>
> 2017-01-30 16:49 GMT+01:00 Luis Ogando <lcodacal at gmail.com>:
>
>> Dear Prof. Blaha,
>>
>>    Unfortunately, I am facing the same problem described by Dr. Fabiana
>> Da Pieve.
>>    Please, let me know if I can do anything to help.
>>    All the best,
>>               Luis
>>
>>
>> 2017-01-30 13:34 GMT-02:00 Peter Blaha <pblaha at theochem.tuwien.ac.at>:
>>
>>> I've nothing changed recently in the mailing list configuration, so I
>>> don't know why this should now happen (except when your mail system has
>>> changed e.g spam-processing, ...)
>>>
>>> It probably comes from   bounce processing, i.e. mailman cannot send to
>>> your email addresses and gets a bounce back. After 5 (or 10 days if it is a
>>> soft bounce) it will disable your membership and just before, it will send
>>> you a warning.
>>>
>>> It may have to do with your specific email accounts ? maybe they think
>>> it is spam ... ?
>>>
>>> Of course, I can increase the bounce level from 5 (up to 10), but for
>>> sure I want to keep it, otherwise mailman will keep outdated addresses
>>> forever and continues to send mails to them.
>>>
>>> Regards
>>>
>>> Am 30.01.2017 um 09:26 schrieb Fabiana Da Pieve:
>>>
>>>> Dear Wien2k developers
>>>>
>>>> I am a pretty silent user of Wien2k since many years and I always read
>>>> with pleasure the emails of the different users, which sometimes are
>>>> also useful for me.
>>>>
>>>> However, in the last period I get very often (every 3 weeks) an email to
>>>> confirm my membership to the mailing list, and if I do not do it soon my
>>>> membership is cancelled the very same day.
>>>>
>>>> I do not think this is normal. Or is it ?
>>>> In any case, before it was not the case. Is there something I can do to
>>>> avoid this ?
>>>>
>>>> Thank you very much for your attention
>>>> Fabiana Da Pieve
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Wien mailing list
>>>> Wien at zeus.theochem.tuwien.ac.at
>>>> http://zeus.theochem.tuwien.ac.at/mailman/listinfo/wien
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>>>> SEARCH the MAILING-LIST at:  http://www.mail-archive.com/wi
>>>> en at zeus.theochem.tuwien.ac.at/index.html
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>>>>
>>>>
>>> --
>>> ------------------------------------------------------------
>>> --------------
>>> Peter BLAHA, Inst.f. Materials Chemistry, TU Vienna, A-1060 Vienna
>>> Phone: +43-1-58801-165300             FAX: +43-1-58801-165982
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>>>
>>
>>
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>> SEARCH the MAILING-LIST at:  http://www.mail-archive.com/wi
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-- 
Professor Laurence Marks
"Research is to see what everybody else has seen, and to think what nobody
else has thought", Albert Szent-Gyorgi
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