[Wien] metal or semiconductor

Laurence Marks laurence.marks at gmail.com
Thu Aug 8 11:53:23 CEST 2019


What about the 4f?

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Prof Laurence Marks
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On Thu, Aug 8, 2019, 17:42 Wien2k User <wien2k.user at gmail.com> wrote:

> I'm sorry for the mistake but the element is the Niobium (Nb) with 4d
> partially filled states
>
> Le jeu. 8 août 2019 à 07:22, Peter Blaha <pblaha at theochem.tuwien.ac.at> a
> écrit :
>
>> Nd does not have 3d valence states.
>>
>> Am 07.08.2019 um 22:35 schrieb Wien2k User:
>> > Dear Prof. Peter BLAHA
>> >
>> > Thank you for all these explanations
>> >
>> > for our system, the gap is built by 3d-states of Neodymium only
>> >
>> > within GGA+U, Fermi level passes through the top of the valence band
>> > with the presence of a band overlap between 3d states. But by adding
>> > mBJ, the level shifts to the top of the valence band with acreationof a
>> > band-gap
>> >
>> > We have considered thta mBJ is more suitable for our system, but we are
>> > still waiting for comments from you
>> >
>> > Thanks again
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Le mer. 7 août 2019 à 20:38, Peter Blaha <pblaha at theochem.tuwien.ac.at
>> > <mailto:pblaha at theochem.tuwien.ac.at>> a écrit :
>> >
>> >     GGA+U affects only the position of the correlated electrons (3d
>> band or
>> >     4f, ..), but not of the delocalized states (eg. Ni-4s band in NiO)
>> >
>> >     Therefore you cannot get the correct gap in NiO with GGA+U, because
>> the
>> >     Ni-4s states limit the size of the gap, even when you split the
>> d-band
>> >     by an enormous U.
>> >
>> >     mBJ also affects the Ni-4s states and shift it up, so that the gap
>> is
>> >     correct.
>> >
>> >     On the other hand, for 4f systems, mBJ can be too "weak" to open a
>> gap.
>> >
>> >     Since we do not know your compound, we cannot say anything concrete,
>> >     but: yes, there is a possibility that GGA+U still gives a metal
>> while
>> >     mBJ gives a semiconductor.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >     Am 07.08.2019 um 19:39 schrieb Wien2k User:
>> >      > Dear Prof.Laurence Marks
>> >      > thank you very much for your reply
>> >      >
>> >      > my scientific reasoning is the following;
>> >      > i noticed that mbj and GGA+U give almost the same band topology
>> >     except
>> >      > that mBJ caused a band shift that showed semiconductor behavior,
>> >      > i think that mBJ is better suited to describe band-gaps than
>> >     GGA+U, i
>> >      > think the material is semiconductor
>> >      >
>> >      > I still have a confirmation or another explanation
>> >      >
>> >      > Le mer. 7 août 2019 à 19:30, Laurence Marks
>> >     <laurence.marks at gmail.com <mailto:laurence.marks at gmail.com>
>> >      > <mailto:laurence.marks at gmail.com
>> >     <mailto:laurence.marks at gmail.com>>> a écrit :
>> >      >
>> >      >     A good question which nobody can answer for you. These
>> >     questions are
>> >      >     why we do science.
>> >      >
>> >      >     _____
>> >      >     Professor Laurence Marks
>> >      >     "Research is to see what everybody else has seen, and to
>> >     think what
>> >      >     nobody else has thought", Albert Szent-Gyorgi
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>> >      >
>> >      >     On Wed, Aug 7, 2019, 18:22 Wien2k User <
>> wien2k.user at gmail.com
>> >     <mailto:wien2k.user at gmail.com>
>> >      >     <mailto:wien2k.user at gmail.com
>> >     <mailto:wien2k.user at gmail.com>>> wrote:
>> >      >
>> >      >         Dear Wien2k users;
>> >      >
>> >      >
>> >      >         after GGA+U+SOC calculation,  I found that the studied
>> >     material
>> >      >         is a metal ( even for a large value of Ueff ) but when I
>> >     redid
>> >      >         another calculation with mBJ based on GGA+U+SOC
>> >      >         {mbj(GGA+U+SOC)}, I found a semiconductor.
>> >      >
>> >      >         Which of these two behaviors is the most correct?
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